and that makes me a sad panda

Only 1 Kirin last night and 5 lesser gods. We didn't get to do the extra Kirin we wanted to do because we somehow were missing one of the pop items that we thought we had.

We were also informed last night that Vibion was quitting because of disputes in the LS rules. Hopefully he's just a little mad and will be back soon, but we'll see. I would assume he wouldn't just up-and-quit outright though, considering he's been around for a bit, done some outside farming, and yet still has only spent points on 2 items so far.

The whole dispute has to do with how many items can be obtained per person, which is something I've actually always wondered about since Treu first explained to me like a year ago how LS point-systems typically work. Typically, one person would only spend their ls points on a rare/ex item once, because, well, you can't have more than 1. Duh. But in this case, another member, Aguaa, has 2 characters and he wants one of the items (w.legs i think) for both characters.

I kind of have mixed feelings on this:

For Vibion's case: I guess he kind of feels like someone just cut in line ahead of him at an amusement park... someone that JUST got off the ride and doesn't have to go get back to the end of the line to ride again.

For Aguaa's case: Why shouldn't he be able to get the item? He's doing a TON of outside farming, which gets us more pop-items, which means more gods to kill every night. He could be selling these pop-items to other people and actually making gil, but instead he's just donating them to the LS. (yeah yeah, he still gets ls points for them, i know...) So, getting back to the "amusement park" allegory, Aguaa basically is paying for his VIP Ride Pass and has the right to jump ahead in line.

But now lets get back to the rules regarding other items; more specifically: Osode. Since this item can actually be acquired and sold, most LSs only allow an individual to obtain it once, thus making it essentially a rare/ex item in the eyes of the LS. If we apply the "multi-character is a different character and therefore can purchase an item again" rule, then what's to prevent people from saying "oh, I need an Osode for my 10 mules too!" and just buying a total of 11 of them with LS points and selling 10 of them for gilz.

This, however, is not exactly the situation Aguaa is in, because both of his characters can actually EQUIP the god-gear, so it's not like he's just making this up and doing it to screw other LS members frmo getting the gear they want.

Then again, back for Vibion's side of the argument: if it's an item for a different character, there should be a separate set of LS points for each character, no? Otherwise it's like 1 character sharing their points to bump another character up higher on the list to get their items quicker. Doesn't exactly seem fair.

For Aguaa's side: He IS playing multiple characters. (Altho, I'm not exactly sure if both chars are on the same account, or if he has 2 accounts and plays them simultaneously. Actually, it's probably the latter, because I think he does a lot of his farming on his own, so probably needs 2 chars at the same time.) So, if he is playing both characters at the same time, and they each have their own ls points pool, then should he be getting "outside farming points" for BOTH characters, eventhough it's just 1 person? That would mean he's technically making points twice as fast as other people.

... meh. And it just keeps getting more complicated from there. Like, what if Treu takes Screamin up into sky for farming? Does that mean Screamin gets ls points too? Prolly not, since he's not in the LS; ok, that was a bad example. What if I'm on vacation and Treu takes my char up into sky for outside farming? Does that mean (A) the farming points go to ME (because it was my char up there) or (B) do the extra points go to HIM (because he was playing 2 chars at the same time) or (C) does he still only get the normal points, as if there was just him up there? They ALL seem like valid options, and yet they ALL have problems with them. Option A might not seem fair to the player because he was one actually doing the gaming. Option B might not seem fair to the character owner because it's his character that's risking the loss of XP while up there. Option C might not seem fair because, lets face it, playing 2 characters is a little more difficult than playing just 1 character, so why would anyone do 2x the work and still get the same reward as 1x the work?

I was kind of on-the-fence about this topic last night. Then, as I was writing this, I'd take one side... then the other side... and it turns out, I still am not REALLY leaning towards one side or the other. Yes, I believe that anyone doing all of this extra outside farming work deserves the item for a character that can legitimately use it. But I can also see people trying to abuse the system if we allow this to happen. (Let's say Disdain want's an Osode and I have buckets of excess points. I can just tell the LS that Disdain is my 2nd account and I want to spend my points on getting the next Osode for him. Then BLAMO, I just cheated the system and got a friend an item essentially for FREE... which actually just rips-off everyoen in the LS.)

This is getting long-winded so I'll just end this part by saying: In my opinion (at least "my opinion at this time"), let Aguaa spend his points and get the item for his 2nd char. Vibion is still next in line for it, and at the rate we've been getting this gear, that would be MAYBE an extra day or 3 until he gets it. But we should just be careful that future ppl don't try to cheat the system, like I explained above, because that could severely delay anyone else getting the gear/items they want.

/em wonders if it might be a good idea to post all of this on the LS forum for discussion... or if it will just make some people MORE angry at others and potentially drive some ppl to quit.

ok, enough of the serious/depressing stuff...

There is some good news from last night though (besides the fact that I'm finally back into the positive with ls points, lol) is that we got another w.legs, osode, and haidate so that gets everyone else a little closer to getting their goodies... and the LS that much closer to being able to start selling these items and making some serious cash. ^^ Hell, we even sold d.hands a few nights ago to someone for 250k! Can you imagine how much people would be willing to spend for GOOD gear? lol I think Treu is next in line for w.legs, which means he might actually have to change the name of his blog! wthomfgbbq!!! Well... he MIGHT be next in line. There's still some debate as to who is actually in the lead right now considering the points db is behind by like a full week; it also depends on who wants what (someone might still be in the lead in points, but want something else first, or just might not be around when we do the desired god, etc...).